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		<title>By: Paolo Brini</title>
		<link>http://freakbits.com/zombieland-director-hunts-down-pirates-on-twitter-1115#comment-1809</link>
		<dc:creator>Paolo Brini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mike

About music, a promising and viable business model alternative to the &quot;all rights reserved&quot; one is the &quot;some rights reserved&quot;: contents protected by licenses with &quot;some rights reserved&quot;, like the 6 different Creative Commons licenses. It has been clearly shown, for example by Jamendo, that this business model is sustainable and surely better than classical copyright. 

About books, in Italy we have several famous writers who have releasing every and each book under Creative Commons since 15 years, not to mention of course giants like Cory Doctorow and others. 

In Europe, about 60% of the artists earn, from royalties, not even the price they pay to the collecting societies to be their members. Year after year the artists&#039; balance from copyright is not 0, it&#039;s negative.

This is one among several signals that there&#039;s something deeply wrong with copyright.

While it seems to work with music and books, can the &quot;copyleft&quot; business models be extended to movies? This is a tough question, basically because the investements for a movie can often be hugely superior than those required for books and music, but some encouraging signals are coming from that sector too (see for example the VoDo project by Jamie King).

I think that, anyway, a solution must be based on a reduction of copyright terms. Nowadays terms discourage creativity, instead of fostering it. A good balance, in my opinion, would be coherent with swedish PiratPartiet proposals.

Finally, more solutions are drafted in the Charter for Innovation, Creativity and Access to Knowledge of Barcelona, which may be a source for inspiration. It has been compiled by a hundred of high profile experts and signed by the most relevant NGOs in the world:
http://fcforum.net

Ciao!
Paolo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mike</p>
<p>About music, a promising and viable business model alternative to the &#8220;all rights reserved&#8221; one is the &#8220;some rights reserved&#8221;: contents protected by licenses with &#8220;some rights reserved&#8221;, like the 6 different Creative Commons licenses. It has been clearly shown, for example by Jamendo, that this business model is sustainable and surely better than classical copyright. </p>
<p>About books, in Italy we have several famous writers who have releasing every and each book under Creative Commons since 15 years, not to mention of course giants like Cory Doctorow and others. </p>
<p>In Europe, about 60% of the artists earn, from royalties, not even the price they pay to the collecting societies to be their members. Year after year the artists&#8217; balance from copyright is not 0, it&#8217;s negative.</p>
<p>This is one among several signals that there&#8217;s something deeply wrong with copyright.</p>
<p>While it seems to work with music and books, can the &#8220;copyleft&#8221; business models be extended to movies? This is a tough question, basically because the investements for a movie can often be hugely superior than those required for books and music, but some encouraging signals are coming from that sector too (see for example the VoDo project by Jamie King).</p>
<p>I think that, anyway, a solution must be based on a reduction of copyright terms. Nowadays terms discourage creativity, instead of fostering it. A good balance, in my opinion, would be coherent with swedish PiratPartiet proposals.</p>
<p>Finally, more solutions are drafted in the Charter for Innovation, Creativity and Access to Knowledge of Barcelona, which may be a source for inspiration. It has been compiled by a hundred of high profile experts and signed by the most relevant NGOs in the world:<br />
<a href="http://fcforum.net" rel="nofollow">http://fcforum.net</a></p>
<p>Ciao!<br />
Paolo</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://freakbits.com/zombieland-director-hunts-down-pirates-on-twitter-1115#comment-1807</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One movie I&#039;m not going to see even for free. Rhett Reese may well end up in the &quot;list&quot; with retarded Lars and company.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://freakbits.com/zombieland-director-hunts-down-pirates-on-twitter-1115#comment-1796</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest problem here is how the problem is framed.  Currently, it&#039;s framed as us against them.  Pirates vs artists.  According to Reese&#039;s argument, artists need to get paid for them to produce their art.  Pirates prevent/hinder this from happening.  If allowed to continue, piracy will remove all incentive to create art.  The problem with his argument is that he needs to check his premises.  One of his false premises has been addressed already.  Many artists do NOT create art because of an expectation of profit.  In fact, it could be argued that the BEST artists would continue to create no matter what.  But again, this has been addressed already.
The other main premise that is false is this:  While it is true that an artists NEEDS to compensated MONETARILY for the art they create (I don&#039;t think anyone can argue with that), copyright is NOT the only method to ensure that.  I completely and wholeheartedly agree that artists who create art that the public enjoys needs and deserves to be compensated for his effort.  But, the copyright system has flaws.  And while it is very noble to try to shoehorn a compensation method into the framework of capitalism, it&#039;s got issues.  Capitalism works because it is SO GOOD at allocating scarce natural resources.  There is only so much coal in the world.  There are only so many diamonds.  There is only so much land.  Before the internet, it was pretty easy to fit art into this model.  Once a song is recorded, there will be only so many CDs.  There will be only so many DVDs.  There will be only so many movie theaters, with only so many seats.  But, now with the internet, that movie, song, whatever is not scarce anymore.  There is an infinite supply of that product.  Copyright attempts to ARTIFICIALLY limit the supply through the use of laws.  But, as we are currently seeing, Adam Smith&#039;s invisible hands are stronger then any law will ever be.  (You are seeing the same thing in the illegal drug industry.  They are trying to fight it by artificially limiting supply.  You can see how well that&#039;s going...)

So, what&#039;s the answer?  What better then the copyright system?  I have no idea.  But, I do know that it isn&#039;t the ONLY system.  The problem is that very little effort is spent trying to find a better system.  For example, what if an artist is payed a one time fee for releasing his art to the world.  Once it&#039;s released, the world owns it.  Is this a better system, probably not.  But like I said, there are other ways of doing it.  THIS is the discussion that we need to be having.  We are wasting everyone&#039;s time arguing over who is right, the artist or the pirate.  They are both right.  The artist NEEDS to compensated, that the pirate SHOULD be able to download it for free since it is an unlimited resource.  What we need to do is come up with a system that compensates the artists for his work without resorting to imaginary concepts like reproduction rights that have absolutely NO BASIS IN REALITY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest problem here is how the problem is framed.  Currently, it&#8217;s framed as us against them.  Pirates vs artists.  According to Reese&#8217;s argument, artists need to get paid for them to produce their art.  Pirates prevent/hinder this from happening.  If allowed to continue, piracy will remove all incentive to create art.  The problem with his argument is that he needs to check his premises.  One of his false premises has been addressed already.  Many artists do NOT create art because of an expectation of profit.  In fact, it could be argued that the BEST artists would continue to create no matter what.  But again, this has been addressed already.<br />
The other main premise that is false is this:  While it is true that an artists NEEDS to compensated MONETARILY for the art they create (I don&#8217;t think anyone can argue with that), copyright is NOT the only method to ensure that.  I completely and wholeheartedly agree that artists who create art that the public enjoys needs and deserves to be compensated for his effort.  But, the copyright system has flaws.  And while it is very noble to try to shoehorn a compensation method into the framework of capitalism, it&#8217;s got issues.  Capitalism works because it is SO GOOD at allocating scarce natural resources.  There is only so much coal in the world.  There are only so many diamonds.  There is only so much land.  Before the internet, it was pretty easy to fit art into this model.  Once a song is recorded, there will be only so many CDs.  There will be only so many DVDs.  There will be only so many movie theaters, with only so many seats.  But, now with the internet, that movie, song, whatever is not scarce anymore.  There is an infinite supply of that product.  Copyright attempts to ARTIFICIALLY limit the supply through the use of laws.  But, as we are currently seeing, Adam Smith&#8217;s invisible hands are stronger then any law will ever be.  (You are seeing the same thing in the illegal drug industry.  They are trying to fight it by artificially limiting supply.  You can see how well that&#8217;s going&#8230;)</p>
<p>So, what&#8217;s the answer?  What better then the copyright system?  I have no idea.  But, I do know that it isn&#8217;t the ONLY system.  The problem is that very little effort is spent trying to find a better system.  For example, what if an artist is payed a one time fee for releasing his art to the world.  Once it&#8217;s released, the world owns it.  Is this a better system, probably not.  But like I said, there are other ways of doing it.  THIS is the discussion that we need to be having.  We are wasting everyone&#8217;s time arguing over who is right, the artist or the pirate.  They are both right.  The artist NEEDS to compensated, that the pirate SHOULD be able to download it for free since it is an unlimited resource.  What we need to do is come up with a system that compensates the artists for his work without resorting to imaginary concepts like reproduction rights that have absolutely NO BASIS IN REALITY.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Huxford</title>
		<link>http://freakbits.com/zombieland-director-hunts-down-pirates-on-twitter-1115#comment-1755</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Huxford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bunch of entitled douches detached from reality.

Yeah, Reese is just obsessed with money. I&#039;m sure his concern has NOTHING to do with the fact that his chances at making future are hinge on how profitable his previous works happen to be. It couldn&#039;t be THAT at all. 

Of course, it, also, can&#039;t be that he and/or the studio have the right to set the price on their product and the consumer has the right to decide it is worth that much money and purchase it or that it isn&#039;t worth the money and go without. Nowhere is stealing it a perfectly valid and moral option, especially since it isn&#039;t essential to you living to draw another breath tomorrow. 

You people trying to reference the past cultural methods of art financing really are pretty clueless. Private patrons commissioned art...for their own collections. They didn&#039;t always immediately see the light of day. Many times they only became available for public viewing after the patron passed away and willed his/her collection to a museum or his/her surviving family sold it to one. 

Would art exist without such a for-profit industry backing it? Sure. Would you get even half the shit you can&#039;t wait to download the day before it hits theaters or shelves? No fucking way. 

Rejoin reality as soon as possible. Some of your friends who learned how to use their brains miss you, I&#039;m sure, and would love for you to join them for a rousing session of intelligent thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bunch of entitled douches detached from reality.</p>
<p>Yeah, Reese is just obsessed with money. I&#8217;m sure his concern has NOTHING to do with the fact that his chances at making future are hinge on how profitable his previous works happen to be. It couldn&#8217;t be THAT at all. </p>
<p>Of course, it, also, can&#8217;t be that he and/or the studio have the right to set the price on their product and the consumer has the right to decide it is worth that much money and purchase it or that it isn&#8217;t worth the money and go without. Nowhere is stealing it a perfectly valid and moral option, especially since it isn&#8217;t essential to you living to draw another breath tomorrow. </p>
<p>You people trying to reference the past cultural methods of art financing really are pretty clueless. Private patrons commissioned art&#8230;for their own collections. They didn&#8217;t always immediately see the light of day. Many times they only became available for public viewing after the patron passed away and willed his/her collection to a museum or his/her surviving family sold it to one. </p>
<p>Would art exist without such a for-profit industry backing it? Sure. Would you get even half the shit you can&#8217;t wait to download the day before it hits theaters or shelves? No fucking way. </p>
<p>Rejoin reality as soon as possible. Some of your friends who learned how to use their brains miss you, I&#8217;m sure, and would love for you to join them for a rousing session of intelligent thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Any Mouse</title>
		<link>http://freakbits.com/zombieland-director-hunts-down-pirates-on-twitter-1115#comment-1739</link>
		<dc:creator>Any Mouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with him on some points, but he needs to understand that Piracy exists solely because of unfair, or unjust rules/laws.

Think back to the days of the pirates that sailed the seas in ships, read up on that, there is a reason they existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with him on some points, but he needs to understand that Piracy exists solely because of unfair, or unjust rules/laws.</p>
<p>Think back to the days of the pirates that sailed the seas in ships, read up on that, there is a reason they existed.</p>
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		<title>By: down 4 free</title>
		<link>http://freakbits.com/zombieland-director-hunts-down-pirates-on-twitter-1115#comment-1728</link>
		<dc:creator>down 4 free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think he is wrong... but i definately know piracy will never cease. It has been in existence since time immemorial. The fact is there are people who cannot afford to buy the dvd and considering it is made available for free on the internet they will download it...then there are those who will never buy the dvd even if they had the money bcuz its not worth it anymore... Anyway some of these movies are making enough money so why go after people sharing it. As 4 me i&#039;ll download movies and if it&#039;s worth it i&#039;ll buy the dvd for extra feature and deleted scenes...Movies like THE DARK KNIGHT are examples of why movies can make enough money even when they are downloaded for free bcuz they are exhilirating...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think he is wrong&#8230; but i definately know piracy will never cease. It has been in existence since time immemorial. The fact is there are people who cannot afford to buy the dvd and considering it is made available for free on the internet they will download it&#8230;then there are those who will never buy the dvd even if they had the money bcuz its not worth it anymore&#8230; Anyway some of these movies are making enough money so why go after people sharing it. As 4 me i&#8217;ll download movies and if it&#8217;s worth it i&#8217;ll buy the dvd for extra feature and deleted scenes&#8230;Movies like THE DARK KNIGHT are examples of why movies can make enough money even when they are downloaded for free bcuz they are exhilirating&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://freakbits.com/zombieland-director-hunts-down-pirates-on-twitter-1115#comment-1723</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funny how some of the best pieces of art in history, real art, not hollywood 20th/21st century marketing but real ART came about when there wasnt much money in it, when there were no copyright protections.

Mr Reese lives in fantasy land if he thinks the only real artists are the ones that mass market their crap to the rest of the world. There are many people that make &#039;pure&#039; art simple for the sake of art. case in point -&gt; there are no product placements in &#039;art&#039;. 

Seems Mr Reese should have gotten more money from Tide or whatever other products to whom he whored himself out.

I used to goto theater more but I kept getting burned on bad overpriced movies. I cant stand blockbuster and the garbage on the shelf there. The quicker I can download it the quicker i can determine how much its worth. first run theater showing? dollar theater showing? new release rental? old release $1 rental?

Zombieland was definitely worthy of theater viewing and maybe even SHOCK purchase for DVD library (very few movies are worth owning to me. i dig zombie movies tho)... long story short i&#039;m not paying shit to that pretentious douchebag Reese. dont make zombieland 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny how some of the best pieces of art in history, real art, not hollywood 20th/21st century marketing but real ART came about when there wasnt much money in it, when there were no copyright protections.</p>
<p>Mr Reese lives in fantasy land if he thinks the only real artists are the ones that mass market their crap to the rest of the world. There are many people that make &#8216;pure&#8217; art simple for the sake of art. case in point -&gt; there are no product placements in &#8216;art&#8217;. </p>
<p>Seems Mr Reese should have gotten more money from Tide or whatever other products to whom he whored himself out.</p>
<p>I used to goto theater more but I kept getting burned on bad overpriced movies. I cant stand blockbuster and the garbage on the shelf there. The quicker I can download it the quicker i can determine how much its worth. first run theater showing? dollar theater showing? new release rental? old release $1 rental?</p>
<p>Zombieland was definitely worthy of theater viewing and maybe even SHOCK purchase for DVD library (very few movies are worth owning to me. i dig zombie movies tho)&#8230; long story short i&#8217;m not paying shit to that pretentious douchebag Reese. dont make zombieland 2.</p>
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		<title>By: Yatti420</title>
		<link>http://freakbits.com/zombieland-director-hunts-down-pirates-on-twitter-1115#comment-1717</link>
		<dc:creator>Yatti420</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never ever watching Rhett Reese films.... I am going to pirate everyone of his movies and burn hundreads of copies and drop them all over the place.. Or maybe I wont..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never ever watching Rhett Reese films&#8230;. I am going to pirate everyone of his movies and burn hundreads of copies and drop them all over the place.. Or maybe I wont..</p>
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		<title>By: hh</title>
		<link>http://freakbits.com/zombieland-director-hunts-down-pirates-on-twitter-1115#comment-1700</link>
		<dc:creator>hh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anything his behaviour to the fans has been disgusting to say the least, and is what will cause a lot of fans to turn away now.

His own behaviour will be what kills any sequels, not piracy.

He believed the 60 minutes report? Does that mean that he believes everything he sees? Does he believe his own movie was real then?

If anything studios have slowly come to understand there&#039;s a lot of money to be made from anti-piracy, going after fans who download content online.

Embrace evolution, make new business models.

Just look around you, there&#039;s a huge demand for it!

If the people behind distribution are not up to it, fire them!
They are responsible for the loss of a lot of money for not being able to keep up and LEAD the way things have gone.

Fans obviously want to be able to see this content easily as well as contribute in a lot of ways if they can, people want other people to be able to see these movies and hear music and share it with as many people as possible.

If only they had offered a set amount to be able to access a large library of DRM-free content...

Instead that money now goes to a seedbox and vpn.

Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anything his behaviour to the fans has been disgusting to say the least, and is what will cause a lot of fans to turn away now.</p>
<p>His own behaviour will be what kills any sequels, not piracy.</p>
<p>He believed the 60 minutes report? Does that mean that he believes everything he sees? Does he believe his own movie was real then?</p>
<p>If anything studios have slowly come to understand there&#8217;s a lot of money to be made from anti-piracy, going after fans who download content online.</p>
<p>Embrace evolution, make new business models.</p>
<p>Just look around you, there&#8217;s a huge demand for it!</p>
<p>If the people behind distribution are not up to it, fire them!<br />
They are responsible for the loss of a lot of money for not being able to keep up and LEAD the way things have gone.</p>
<p>Fans obviously want to be able to see this content easily as well as contribute in a lot of ways if they can, people want other people to be able to see these movies and hear music and share it with as many people as possible.</p>
<p>If only they had offered a set amount to be able to access a large library of DRM-free content&#8230;</p>
<p>Instead that money now goes to a seedbox and vpn.</p>
<p>Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: KsbjA</title>
		<link>http://freakbits.com/zombieland-director-hunts-down-pirates-on-twitter-1115#comment-1691</link>
		<dc:creator>KsbjA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can agree with Mr. Reese in some points. But I disagree that piracy could kill new art (as he nicely called it) being made. Actually, I haven&#039;t ever heard of a company going bankrupt, or a sequel being canceled, due to unauthorized sharing. If something is worth downloading, it is worth buying. But that there-is-somebody-out-there-who-could-have-paid-but-didn&#039;t feeling is killing those people on the inside. And there is only one word for that: greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can agree with Mr. Reese in some points. But I disagree that piracy could kill new art (as he nicely called it) being made. Actually, I haven&#8217;t ever heard of a company going bankrupt, or a sequel being canceled, due to unauthorized sharing. If something is worth downloading, it is worth buying. But that there-is-somebody-out-there-who-could-have-paid-but-didn&#8217;t feeling is killing those people on the inside. And there is only one word for that: greed.</p>
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